Lenski-Conservapedia affair continues
June 18th, 2008Apparently the Conservapedia morons are planning on sending their second message to Dr. Lenski today. It reads:
Dear Prof. Lenski,
This is my second request for the data underlying your recent paper, “Historical contingency and the evolution of a key innovation in an experimental population of Escherichia coli,” published in PNAS (June 10, 2008) and reported in New Scientist (”Bacteria make major evolutionary shift in lab,” June 9, 2008).
http://myxo.css.msu.edu/lenski/pdf/2008,%20PNAS,%20Blount%20et%20al.pdf
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/life/dn14094-bacteria-make-major-evolutionary-shift-in-the-lab.htmlThis work was taxpayer-funded, and PNAS represents that its authors will make underlying data available. I’d like to review the data myself and ensure availability for others, including experts and my students. Others have expressed interested in access to the data in addition to myself, and your website seems well-suited for public release of these data.
If the data are voluminous, then I particularly request that access to the data made available to the peer reviewers of your paper, and data relating to the period during which the bacterial colony supposedly developed Cit+. As before, I’m requesting the organized data themselves, not the graphs and summaries set forth in the paper. Note that several times your paper expressly states, “data not shown.”
Given that this is my second request for the data, a clear answer is requested as to whether you will make the key data available for independent review. Thank you.
Andy Schlafly, B.S.E., J.D.
cc: PNAS, New Scientist publications
Emphasis is mine. Again, the data are in the paper! Yes, authors should make data available, but in this case they already are. The only data that aren’t already available are, as the letter itself mentions, noted in the text of the paper. And I should note that there are exactly three instances where data are not shown, and none are directly related to the emergence of Cit+. So unless the Conservapedia gang wants data on the inhibition of growth on citrate by 5-fluorocitrate, or on the “intraday dynamics of mixtures of Cit- and Cit+ cells”, there is literally nothing the Lenski lab could provide that is not in the paper already.
The cluelessness continues when he suggests that reviewers of the paper were given something other than a draft of the paper. This is not the case, and anyone who understands how peer review works would know this. Reviewers are only given the paper under consideration. If they have any objections, they raise them. For example, a reviewer might read the paper and feel that the authors need to do other experiments. This request will be sent back to the authors who will then decide if they will do the suggested experiments. The reviewer might then see data that aren’t shown in the paper, but otherwise reviewers only see what is in the text and figures to be published. The notion that reviewers are routinely sent spreadsheets full of raw data or copies of lab notebooks is just plain false.
I still don’t know what Schlafly and pals have in mind when they ask for “organized data”. For the work described in the paper, the “raw data”, if you will, are going to consist of stacks of hand-written lab notebooks from the experimenters. These are not “organized data”. In fact, it is the most unorganized data anyone could request. That is what published papers do, they organize data accumulated over months or years into a coherent, presentable form.
But here is what I really don’t get. If these dolts suspect that Lenski might be committing fraud, what would prevent him from doctoring lab notebooks? It makes no sense that Lenski would publish a fraudulent paper, apparently in an attempt to undermine the truth of creationism, but then hand over material revealing that fraud to creationists. If he isn’t above submitting a fake paper, he certainly isn’t going to blink at faking lab notebooks or spreadsheets.
In any case, if Lenski responds, it will be to tell these buffoons that the data are in the paper or to express puzzlement about what the jackasses are asking for. Although I’m sure he’ll get a chuckle at the thought of Andy Schlafly and his army of homeschooled numbnuts checking his work. It’s hard to contemplate a more unqualified pool of reviewers.


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June 18th, 2008 at 10:51 am
Hey, Lenski should be worried that a world-class scholar like Andy Schlafly has focused his laser-like critical eye on Lenski’s work. After all, Schlafly has both a BSE and a JD! Does the E in BSE stand for Engineering or Education? In either case, it must be the perfect degree for creationist vetting of the research of competent scientists.
June 18th, 2008 at 11:10 am
What do you think he wants with it? He wants to write a paper countering Lenski’s paper, using the same data.
Knowing Schlafly, even if the answers were spelled out for him in the data, he’s probably still manage to put a creationist spin on it.
June 18th, 2008 at 11:24 am
I came here by way of P.Z. Myers’s blog. You seem to have the right attitude. Keep up the good work.
June 18th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Schlafly doesn’t want the data.
He wants Lenski to “refuse” to release the data so he can “prove” how false it must be.
June 18th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Why not have some unlucky graduate student xerox the lab notebooks and send the resulting cubic yard of paper to Schlafley and his fellow fanatics? At least then he can’t claim that anything was withheld.
June 18th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Aaron:
Have an undergraduate do it! Jeez :p
June 18th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Zeno – The BSE means that he has Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy. the resultant holes in his brain are all that could surely account for his stupidity
June 18th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Who’s going to pay to have that done?
June 18th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Remember, Andy Schlafly is a member of the “we create our own reality” community. Objective fact is irrelevant; it’s all about spin with these guys. Even if Doctor Lenski is polite and obliging (which he has been so far), Schlafly will surely find something to whine about. Schlafly’s best-case scenario, of course, is to be so conspicuously hostile to Doctor Lenski that the good doctor will have nothing more to do with him, in which case Andy can crow about the evilushinnists running away and refusing to support their claims.
Note that on the article’s talk page on Conservapedia, Andy is currently pushing a false dichotomy that anybody who won’t sign an ignorant and belligerent email demanding “access by all, not merely by people having certain preferred credentials or education” is somehow in on the Big Conspiracy. It’s become his catch-all response to anybody even remotely critical of his behavior on this topic.
June 18th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
While I too have been tempted by the Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy reading, apparently BSE can also be a bachelor’s in education (which, having grown up as the child of a real teacher, I was raised to know is totally worthless). Generally any engineering degree will actually have four letters, specifying a discipline (like BSME, which is for mechanical engineering). So, in summation, Assfly hasn’t got any education in science whatsoever (as we all knew all along).
June 18th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
He claims to hold a degree in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science from Princeton.
June 18th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
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June 18th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
Yes, I believe his degree is in engineering, so score another point for the Salem Hypothesis.
June 19th, 2008 at 9:24 am
My guess is Lenski files this e-mail in the “Trash” folder and never responds to it. My thesis advisor used to get crazy e-mails from folks, and she would print them out and put them on the coffee table for us to read and laugh at. She invited us to respond to them if we wanted to, but she never did. We were in a mildly controversial field, and so would get a fair number of nuts e-mailing. It simply becomes too much work to respond to them all. I’m surprised Lenski responded even once.
June 19th, 2008 at 9:40 am
factician,
I agree. I doubt Lenski will respond, and I don’t think he should. It would just encourage them. Of course, that will just lead to righteous shrieking and accusations of fraud from Schlafly and his goons, but we’d probably see that even if he did respond.
June 19th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
So what is J.D.? Juvenile Delinguent?
June 19th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
@ #5:
Sending the raw data in the notebooks will almost assuredly prove fruitless.
Schlafly will pore over them until he finds the slightest inconsistency.
He will question it. Perhaps Lenski responds, perhaps he doesn’t.
Should Lenski respond (I’m sure he has nothing better to do with his
time but correspond with obscurantist creationists), Schlafly will simply
repeat the process until Lenski doesn’t respond. Then, Schlafly pronounces
Lenski’s paper is obviously flawed because he’s hiding something.
I mean, what do you expect? He reads it late into the night, checking the data,
then in an epiphany he realizes evolution “works” (and, since, by /their/
tenets evolution and faith cannot exist in the same thought-space), his
religion is a fraud, and he quickly seeks out the next Atheist meetup?
June 19th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
@#13 Gerlach, I hadn’t heard of the Salem Hypothesis before, but note that 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta entered Cairo University’s engineering department in 1985.
Maybe the “War on Terror” should really be a war on engineers?
June 26th, 2008 at 8:05 am
Lenski’s second response was probably the best part of this entire exchange; pure ownage.
July 16th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
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